3/17 Meetup - Global Career Information
Thanks for coming! Today, we will split up into groups of 3 to 4 people and share stories about the international job search. I think 6 - 12 people will be attending, based on past meetups so should be 3-4 groups.
Post-Meetup Notes: Thanks for coming! Steve, Mayumi, Mari, Lara, Kartik, Ryosuke
It was great to all sit at one table and talk
- I have worked in Japan for about 27 years, and I came on a tourist visa. I got my first visa from an English school in Kyoto and it was for a year I think.
Have lived in Kyoto & Tokyo
- I have worked in about 16 companies, including starting and failing in my own business venture.
Started a business and hired staff when I was 25, business failed, made many mistakes
I want to work in the US, where I am from
Looking for a job in the US.
Went from English teaching to IT Sales & Operations
- English Teacher (for kids, teens and adults, Kyoto) - found job through Newspaper classifieds
- English - Japanese Translator (for companies, Tokyo) - Found Job through the Japan times Newspaper
- IT phone installer (for individuals)
- English Editor (as a temp) - Found job in newspaper, worked through a staffing company
- English Teacher (as a side job, Ikebukuro) - Looked in newspaper, worked at a major chain for 6 months
- English Editor & Translator (for a consulting company) - found ad in newspaper, introduced through a recruiting company
- IT Business Development - introduced through a friend of a friend, utilized experience in IT phones and installation
- IT Network Software Sales
Referred by a friend and former colleague
- IT Outsourcing Sales
Found online at Careercross.com
- IT Network Security Hardware partner sales
Found via a former colleague and partner in Japan
- Financial Connectivity Business Development
Found via a Recruiter
- X-Ray Protective Apron Business Development
Assisted a small company
- Financial Voice Trading Sales in Korea
Within the same company
- Financial Voice Network Sales and Operations
Within the same company
- Financial Network and Hosting Infrastructure Service Manager
Referred by a recruiter
- English Conversation partner
- English editor for Environmental presentations
- Meetup organizer for jobs in Japan
16:00 Start (10 minutes)
Members arriving and seated in groups
Sorry accidentally put info on meeting on the 4th floor but we were on the 5th floor
Introduction around the table (30 minutes)
- Name, Background, What country you are interested in working in?
- Can everyone share the following information? Steve, Mayumi, Mari, Lara, Kartik, Ryosuke
- What brought you to Japan?
- Have you worked anywhere else in the world?
- What have you researched so far in your global job search?
- Registered in JAC for Malaysia, Singapore, and India
- Want to work in Europe
- Want to work in Canada and Australia
- Want to work in Singapore
- Talk about using Internet job sites (Indeed, Glassdoor, Linkedin, Hello Work)
- Do you use social media for your job search? What job sites have you found useful or not
- Linkedin is useful to make a profile and search for jobs
- Can just use a basic profile and search for jobs, no need to disclose information
- Can use just letters instead of names to hide identify and protect privacy
- Linkedin is a major site for job research. Twitter also can show information on jobs. Companies also have facebook and LINE pages that can be gateways for applications. Smaller companies will be more receptive to answering questions.
- What kind of job are you looking for ? What is your priority?
- Jobs in Japan with more options for specialization or career options. Also looking at internal transfers to other countries.
- Something you have done before?
- Work overseas but maybe somewhere in Asia
- Have looked for a job in Europe but couldn:t find. Very difficult
- Would do anything if a visa were possible, open to new career
- Something to earn a visa for?
- Work visa
- Immigration visa or system
- An increase in my current job/career
- Looking to use more English to realize full potential, rather than balance Japanese and English
- Some experience that will help you learn a new career?
- It can be worth it to take some risk to learn a new skill or try a new field if you are interested in it or it can lead to higher paying jobs
- Some international jobs that use languages and are international are hospitality, tourism
- ESL jobs are also international, one resource is Dave’s ESL Cafe http://www.eslcafe.com/
16:40 Switching Tables and Introductions to New People
2 people from each table switch, with table 1 people going to table 2 and table 2 people going to table 3. It’s voluntary. I will switch tables.
This time, just a short introduction.
- Name, Background, What country you are interested in working in?
- IT engineer (Web), working outside of Japan,
- IT engineer - mid-career, Europe
- Admin, Singapore, Europe
- Translator, in-house, Malaysia,
- Translator, freelance
- Admin, Canada or Australia
- Talk about using Recruiters and Internet Job Boards to find a job overseas. Are there any? What jobs recruit overseas for professionals?
- We talked about JAC Recruitment, which has offices in Japan, Asia and Internationally
- Link to Japan website http://www.jac-recruitment.jp/
- Link to Asia focused website http://www.jac-recruitmentasia.com/
- About JAC (Japanese) http://corp.jac-recruitment.jp/ir/briefing/pdf/180215.pdf
17:00 Skills & Background (20 minutes)
What skills and knowledge would employers be judging/reviewing on a match for an overseas candidate? How do you make a connection with an overseas recruiter, agent or hiring company?
4. work experience
5. personality/ temperament
6. industry contacts
7. industry knowledge
8. language ability
9. certification, skills
So for overseas job seekers, the rule has to be that the Employer cannot find candidates within their own country. If they are willing to sponsor a visa, that is one way to get both a job and a visa. But it is only in some cases that an employer would sponsor a visa.
We talked about:
- Singapore’s workpass
- Japan’s self--employment visa
- The US’s J-1 visa
- Canada’s immigration system
- Australia points system for overseas migrants
In some countries, visa programs are linked to overseas workers but those tend to be seasonal and limited in the time. But in the 9 boxes, an applicant has to have strengths above home-country candidates in a number of them.
Using sites like Indeed.com to search for language-related keywords to look for jobs. Leveraging a second-language like Japanese or another language (Vietnamese, Chinese, etc)
What are your strengths or advantages you could plan on using to apply for a job? Can you ask the other people at the table, while answering this question?
- Job experience can be a plus
- Passion, interest in a country and desire to live there can be a benefit to employers
- Good to stress that to employers, respect for the country’s customs
Switching Tables and Introductions to New People (10 minutes)
17:30 Visas (10 minutes)
If you need a visa, understand the options of the visa system in the country you want to work in. Most countries have a government website that explains the visa system and the different options available.
Example of Sweden https://sweden.se/society/obtaining-a-work-permit/
Example of Germany (which issued majority of German blue cards)
The visa will determine how you look for a job. If you decide to get a working holiday visa, or an internship visa, they have restrictions on what you can do possibly. If you get a student visa, you should check into what jobs you can do, and if you can change visa status after your school ends.
Canada Immigration System
Government Website https://www.canada.ca/en/services/immigration-citizenship.html
Explanation of Express Entry
UK Immigration System
Australia Points Based System
17:40 Salaries and Compensation (10 minutes)
Getting your desired salary and some ways to increase the scope of higher paying jobs - one way is to be customer-facing
It is not uncommon to have a bonus in a foreign company. Ask if there is one, if it is team-based or individual. You might be asked what you make now, and how much you share is up to you. Some companies ask for proof, or have strict bands for how much to offer based on the position. It is important to understand how flexible the company is with compensation, and how close they are to your goal?
Finding out your “market rate” - what is the value of salaries for jobs you can apply and be offered
Looking at salary data on indeed.com - https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Customer+Success+Manager&l=New+York+State&_ga=2.152337018.271352431.1521332725-1275654739.1520688883#
Negotiating with Employers and finding out about any gaps between expectations and possible offers
- One candidate asked for about 2x what they currently make, and ended up with an offer of 10% more
- Another candidate was on an hourly contract, got offered a permanent role, and then used that to negotiate a promotion to a full time position at her current job
- Another candidate, going for a sales position, was offered a 20% raise but no raise in base pay. Had to submit past salary evidence.
Creating a English resume, and correctly discussing your skills, background, language ability and experience. Share your goals for the year with the employer if they can enhance your value.
Some employers use Applicant Tracking Systems or Career Portals where you fill in an application or online CV. These can take time so budget the time if you want to apply. It would be good to check if they consider overseas applicants.
Visit my website at https://audiologiks.zendesk.com to search for more information on:
- Recruiter lists
- Using Linkedin to find recruiters/hiring companies
- Researching specific countries
- Visas in different countries
- Media links possibly for research on companies and countries